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    Is there a way to set the time signature on a song or a sample/clip?

    I've been experimenting with writing in non 4/4 signatures like 3/4 or 7/8 and would like to start building some tracks on the BB using loops created with other devices in these signatures.

    Any ideas of how this can be achieved?

  • #2
    You can create sequence lengths from 1 step to 256. You can also set step length from 1/64 up to 8 bars. So there's really any combination of time signatures available. Each sequence can have a different setting too, so things can get weird! As an example, for 3/4 time, select a sequence and press Info, set that sequence to 9 steps (each step 1/16). Press Info again and set the Quant Size to 1/16. Now you can create a pattern in the sequencer that will playback in 3/4 time. Drop some hats on steps 1, 4 & 7 with a kick on 1 and snare on 7 for proof of concept.

    For samples you'd have to edit the start and end points to fit within whatever time signature you like.

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    • #3
      Song mode is only 4/4. So playback through a song will be a source of potential issues unless you have several odd time bars fitting into 4/4.

      Sampling non-4/4 is convenient as long as the denominator is a quarter note (eg 3/4): after recording, you can set the number of beats (eg multiples of 3) and then with a sequence of desired length it will play as expected.
      If the denominator is not a quarter note, then the experience will be fiddly. Better then to record the full pattern (eg 4/4 instead of 7/8), set the beat count (eg 4 beats) and process the rest through a sequence of shorter desired length (eg 7 steps of 8). Multiples not necessarily possible in this workaround.

      As for setting loop points manually, in the absence of beat grid snapping, this can be a hit and miss.

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      • #4
        Could we change the signature in song mode, or at least have the possibility to match the length of the song part with the length of an odd sequence?

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        • #5
          there is a feature request for this in the wishlist

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          • #6
            I assume you are talking about "clips".
            The answers above seem to be referring to the sequencer (which is fairly easy to use non 4/4)

            It's super hard to work with non 4/4 clips on the BB.
            And as far as I know in the song mode it's impossible.

            The blackbox is not marketed as such, but it seems to be fairly limited to 4/4 music (or at least crippled when working non 4/4)
            This is evident in when you watch youtube videos on it where people are mostly making standard techno and house music with it.

            There are a bunch of requests here on the forum for added time signature support.

            Here is one I made a while back:

            https://forum.1010music.com/forum/pr...ime-signatures

            Maybe you can like and comment on that one to get it back to the top.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kebap Benzin View Post
              I assume you are talking about "clips".
              The answers above seem to be referring to the sequencer (which is fairly easy to use non 4/4)

              It's super hard to work with non 4/4 clips on the BB.
              And as far as I know in the song mode it's impossible.
              It is not impossible as long as you don’t play single instances of e.g. 3/4: you would need 4 bars of 3/4 to fit into 3 bars of 4/4. Limited but not impossible.

              The rather confusing part is the internal click which emphasises every 4th beat, especially during pad recording - you can work around this limitation by recording a drum pattern or a click track first, embed it into a non-4/4 seq and then use that instead of the internal click.

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