Hello! My first post here - thank you for all the knowledge shared. For me personally it’s hard to beta test 3.0.1 without any manual - not sure what’s a bug, what’s a feature. It’s worth mentioning, that I got bb just a month ago - few days before beta arrived. I didn’t had a chance to get into previous firmware versions to be able to use this knowledge as starting point with 3.0. I’m patiently waiting for a manual - even a scrappy cut&paste from the old one with few pages added. Full release, new manual & videos require a lot of work, but something that collects the most important rules of new firmware, would be super helpful, especially with beta testing. Also: this is my first piece of equipment that does not come from a huge company (like Roland or Akai) and it’s amazing for me how big part of the process comes from community suggestions. I love my bb already and I can’t wait when I will be able to sit down with it and go through all the possibilities it offers. I got it mostly for traveling but would be super cool to use it in home studio setup as well. So far I paired it with Digitakt and I have to say this combo creates a MONSTER sampler in my opinion. *I know it’s not a thread about wishes / suggestions, but this one is not that “serious” so I hope it’ll be ok to post here: would love to be able to have some very basic graphic “welcome” screen on the machine - if we could upload our own image / edit - would be even cooler… I would also love to have software shut down option from main menu - I’m old school - pulling the plug each time makes me scared it won’t start up as it should next time
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Welcome. You are not required to use a beta release. We sometimes float betas to gather feedback from the community. Manuals, documentation, videos, etc will come after we settle on the final feature set and arrive at a stable release. My advice is to go back to 2.1.5 and wait it out. All the things you ask for exist for 2.1.5. In terms of wishes for features, please use the wish list. A feature request embedded in a post on this thread will for sure get lost when the time comes to look for requests.Originally posted by herman View PostComment
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*just to follow up: I’m aware I don’t have to use beta - I was just following advice I got from Lucas when reached out for some support: “I would learn from 3.0.1 since that will be the new standard and if you're new to Blackbox, you might as well get comfy with how it will work in the future.” This makes sense to me as well. Best!
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I haven't tried the beta, but I just wanted to say thanks for your continued dedication to the BlackBox. I love this thing.Comment
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Tested some more yesterday and I'm sure these have been mentioned before.
- Unable to trigger playback of the recorded sample with the Play icon in the right top corner. It sometimes/regularly becomes fully white and not doing anything.
- Sometimes when I have recorded a sample and want to record again and select New Recording, the first part of the old recording is heard, sometimes it sounds garbled. Sometimes it even seems like keeping down the rec button for a few second before pressing Play, it seems like the BB records those few seconds of pressing down the rec button and that is what I hear when starting the actual recording.
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I’m actually digging the new four layers of the sequencer. I work with breakbeats and this is proving to be excellent from my prospective. No piece of equipment is perfect but the 1010 team keep at it incrementally improving things. Everything seems to be stable as far as I’ve pushed it. There were a few teething problems on updating ie my old sequences didn’t like it. I started something new and it hasn’t given me any problems as yet apart from setting the keys to trigger my Leipzig (I’ve found a thread on this forum which should resolve it ) one thing that would be good is that in slices you could dictate both start and finish points of a particular slice as I always end up with slices I don’t want. I may have a 20 sec sample for argument’s sake and only want a couple of cuts say one at 2 to 3 seconds and the other at 7 to 8 seconds. It would be good to be able to set the locators at the points required and set the slices respectively . Apart from that good job I’m definitely on board for the long haulComment
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hi to all 1010music pp!really glad that u upgrading and not degrading !an updated manual is a necessity!thanks
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Apart from some bugs, crashes, and obvious issues (e.g. moving from Pad to Keys clears the sequence). I would say this version is far simpler to use so far.
Is it a case of people not wanting to change their way of working?Comment
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Nope.Originally posted by Paranormal Patroler View Post
There was an implementation change in the way midi works that makes some features from past versions now impossible to replicate. Otherwise - its moving in a good direction over all.Comment
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The extra step to assigning MIDI doesn't seem like a huge issue to me. The device does enough complex assignments that it requires that you make a choice of what goes where; not much to ask from the user.
Or are you referring to "for each sequencer to be able to trigger any multiple pads. Not locked." ? Or is it something else?
Can you please explain that a bit? On a single sequence, I can trigger any of the 16 pads, so do I understand correctly that the limitation is with the Keys being limited to only a single instrument? I read on another thread https://forum.1010music.com/forum/pr...0139#post40139 that the reason is because users found it confusing. That is usually an indication of bad UX. Users can learn to limit their usage instead of impeding on other users who don't have an issue with the added functionality, as long as the UX keeps things clear. Is that what we're talking about?Last edited by Paranormal Patroler; 03-21-2023, 01:48 AM.
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All sequences seem to restart on A.
This can mean that the track sounds quite different from when you left it, assuming the A sequences were different from B,C, or D. Given the fact that there are issues when copying and pasting between them, it's a little frustrating.
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Could I trouble you to tell me the exact steps I need to perform to see a sequence “restart on A?” I’m not exactly sure what you mean.Originally posted by _monomakes_ View Post
I’m wondering if Scenes might be the tool you’re looking for. They can trigger sequences by layer on demand.Comment
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Of course.
On a Preset (aka 'initial preset') -- Go to Seq page.
- Select a sequence group pad,
- Select a sequence other than A,
- Add sequence data to that sequence,
- Save and exit preset.
- Load a different preset.
- Reload the initial preset,
- Select a sequence group pad (same as 2. above)
- Observe that the sequence has reset from the sequence 'other than A'.
'A' has no information on it, yet it is the sequence in the group that is displayed upon reloading the sequence, rather than the last used sequence being displayed. The result is that what you play sounds different than when you last played that preset, unless all your sequences in their groups were on 'A'.
Hope that makes sense.
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That is what I'm saying, yes.Comment
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You wanted feedback on Beta 3.01
First I really like Blackbox and the work that has been done.
I recently got around to updating to v2.10 and think the changes were interesting.
I found some problems with the Midi in SEQS,
1] when I set the selection from PADS or KEYS to MIDI it blanks all my sequencing for that SEQS pad,
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2] when I choose and set a midi channel for MIDI it would play everywhere.
I liked the addition of knobs graphics and could cope with the changes in 2.10.
I still had a few wishes in mind to hope for but then
I discover that you have made come considerable changes to the O/S, removing MIDI OUT on the PADS.
I was using the midi out from each pad and sequencing up to 16 pads in each sequence per SEQ pad that means that I can drive 16 instruments with one sequence and do that for the whole 16 SEQ parts available. So when I upgraded to 3.01 Beta I was deeply disappointing to find that you had changed it, and want to make this point.
I reiterate I really like BlackBox and was still getting used to and exploring it.
I have a reasonable expectation to be able to use it as advertised and demoed in the stores. To find it has changed without notice is a shock.
I know you folks have put in much great work it is an amazing change but it stuffs me up. I don't want 1010 to stop but suggest that you really needed to finalize Blackbox Mark I (MK I) and then start on BB MarkII (MKII).
There seemed to be a few things to finish in MK I before embarking on MKII. So I ask could you finish these and create a definite FINAL VERSION of the MK I firmware and version. So that those of use who need it can stay with that one . And those who would benefit from the new MK II can chose to load the update and take it from there.
On testing 3.01 Bet, The Docs said I could copy from one PAD to another when programming a SEQ - it doesn't on my BB nor has it ever done this. It would be great to be able to clone a PADS or KEYS,
Also the document referred to a SEQ section in TOOLS MIDI that is not there - only Global in | PGM in | Pad Record | and TRS Out Src |
and choosing MIDI in SEQS still blanks out all the sequence in KEYS and PADS.
A wish list would be to
MUTE the effects DELAY and REVERB separately for all PADS simultaneously.
to MAKE the HEADPHONES output as a LINE OUT too but for EFFECTS only, selectable in TOOLS menu
ADD effects CHORUS & FLANGER
where MIDI LEARN is concerned DISPLAY the Channel and CC number for SOURCE ef CC ## ## so one can see what channel and number is set in that location.
It is great to be able to independently set output volumes for each output out1, out2, out3 and layers in the SEQS will be very useful for some users.
I thank you for giving us an opportunity to check out the coming changes for BB and recognize the great efforts of the 1010 tems in making such great devices.
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I spotted your request for Chorus among your overall vision and humbly request you add a +1 post to my thread requesting it: https://forum.1010music.com/forum/pr...-stereo-chorus -
I am really glad that I saw a comment from another forum member on how he was back-grading Blackbox to an earlier version.
I have been used to not being able to reverse firmware changes.
So I went and tried loading the previous firmware versions of Blackbox - they all worked like a charm - I am less apprehensive about future changes that the team make to the firmware because now I understand I can always go back to the last one.
Perhaps it could be made a bit more obvious to users that they can do this, just reload the previous firmware.
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It's not a bug but I find this behavior strange in looper mode: We set a pad and assign commands to a controller such as volume. Then, we click on the pad, then on info, then rec. This saves and you can use the assignments. Perfect! Then we want to erase it and record again, all the assignments disappear. it would be good if the assignments remained, right?Comment
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I have to say this update comes with very mixed feelings. I really apreciate that this device is still getting updated and a lot of the past updates really made the device a lot richer.
For the Song part this is definately true. It is much simpler to understand, more detailed and easier to program. Great work!
The midi part however is a complete disaster. I initally bought the blackbox for playing back stems and midi files of my produced tracks from ableton. Very quickly I also started to use it for making sketches or little improvisations.
For me the workflow in V2 was perfect. I could very easily lay out Ideas, sequence drums and melodies on the fly, play and sequcence external synths, switch out internal sounds for external synths etc. The workflow was very free making that little touchscreen feel like a blank canvas for your musical Ideas, ready to be filled with magic.
Some of this doesnt work anymore. And everything that can stil be done has become extremly complicated and inconvenient. It took me several attempts (and reading through this thread multiple times) to understand how sequencing keys or external midi works. It has in fact become so inconvenient that I wanna stop using the BB for these purposes and rely on external sequencers, which is a shame. I think this thread is full of examples of things that are broken, so I feel I don't have to list them here once more.
Downgrading to 2.x.x. is not really an option. The updated song mode and the abcd sequences are crucial for being able to put complex projects from ableton to the Blackbox.
Since I don't seem to be the only one having problems with this update, I really hope you reconsider the sequencing workflow of your machine. It used to be so elegant and simple. If you wanna add more feature, please do so, but make sure the old workflow is still there and the default. Nest these new features in sub menus, whatever, I think you are creative enough to make this work
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