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  • Painting Silence
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    man the internet is a huge place and this thread is rather on the humble side, believe me. What is it exactly, that you cannot grasp about my argument? That I make the point that hardware is more changeable than ever before because it mostly consists of software? Just read my initial post I opened this thread with (Aaron has put it second, but whatever) in which I simply state a few things I find flawed with the Black Box. Many users chimed in on the open source suggestion. It had been put to rest, so be it, and that's fine by me. But you seem to be personally insulted by my arguments. If so, then I am sorry to unease your mind but again in your comment you do not point out specific points to argue about - so much for a discussion. I have requested to go open source, sorry that blows your mind but man you can gladly join that vast majority you refer to and celebrate the BB as the holy grail of synthesis. That's cool because you know the internet is a huge place were you and I can co-exist (although maybe not so much in synthesis you get me)

  • Painting Silence
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    thank you for giving insights into your background. I do believe that the wisdom of the "older folks" is very valuable and the BB wouldn't be possible without it. I also think that the late 1980s must have been an exciting (although expensive and physically heavy) time to get into synthesis and your 'new wave synth pop' literally paved the way for my beloved techno music. so I owe you big time. In no way I would call off your generation when it comes to modern technology like the BB and I did not mean to divide into young and old (e.g. paint black and white). The statement I tried to make is that programmable micro controllers offer great capabilities of fixing rather simple annoyances in the UI that me and other users bemoan in this thread. That don't mean we wouldn't value the BB for what it is, but simply today's instrument designers have to fit many features into a small screen and sometimes that is not well implemented (you cannot read long sample names god damnit BB!!). So the challenges have slightly shifted and many synth artists today are also skilled programmers simply since this saves tons of money and because it is possible to change stuff like this easily and expand your instruments capabilities. Back then you were mostly stuck with what manufacturers sold you (in no way this is bad, it is simply different!!), so I presume many of the older generation are not used to "tuning" <-- [greatest pun of all time intended] their synth. but man thats what were here for arguing and I thank you for your contributions on this thread, it is like I said, very valuable.

  • sirshannon
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    That's the thing, it's a whole post of arguments coming from very incorrect assumptions that make it useless to discuss because it isn't a discussion. It's an argument that nobody is having but you. The vast majority of the thousands of enthusiastic Blackbox owners are elsewhere, not here throwing tantrums because they believe spending a few hundred dollars makes you entitled to running the company.
    I chose that sentence because it crystalizes most of what you've done here. Possibly more wrong ideas than words in that sentence, all based on very incorrect assumptions and thrown around as if it's truth, attempting to troll someone into arguing.
    I'm amazed this thread is still open.

  • sydilaxe
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    Thanks for clarifying. I was just confused by the wording, but the generational argument is interesting. I am of the pre-internet generation (who remembers the early days of BBS), and I got into synthesis in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I was just suggesting that there is some wisdom that the older folks can impart as well.

  • sydilaxe
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    Originally posted by Blindsmyth View Post
    I was always intrigued by the Idea of having an "open" box. Like a hardware in the black/blue/etc box format that runs different formats, like PD, Axoloti patcher, super collider etc.
    You might like the Organelle-M (pd) or the Norns Shield (supercollider).

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  • Blindsmyth
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    I was always intrigued by the Idea of having an "open" box. Like a hardware in the black/blue/etc box format that runs different formats, like PD, Axoloti patcher, super collider etc.

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  • Painting Silence
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    I don't quite understand where you are going at but my statement quoted by you does not involve any 1010 criticism whatsoever.. where do you take that from? I am sorry my strong style of arguing confuses you but sorry but no sorry for being passionate although rational. To sum it up I am rather annoyed by people in this thread that ridicule our suggestions and simply take a product for granted the way it is as if it was the pre-internet era when there clearly is support for taking the black box one step further. But I have long accepted that Aaron keeps the BB closed so no point unraveling that again but users stating that "its a waste arguing, just make music" is not exactly helpful either. sydilaxe I really don't think you have quite understood that the above statement was directly aimed at Georges comment of urging me to sell the BB because of what I think is wrong with it. Thanks for seeing some truth in the generational argument. It's a fast pace world out there, especially with them little micro controllers.

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  • sydilaxe
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    Originally posted by Painting Silence View Post
    You can mostly sell software no worries just transfer the licence key. Great that I find the time to make music and argue with fanboys alike. I think this might as well be a generational argument. Nowadays we get more and more involved in the manufacturing process of gear with creators asking for our needs and preferences. Especially in music gear, for example guitar pedals, this has become quite common. It is ultimately a result of the internet and close exchange between makers and users, something I grew up with and that has led to great products. That you guys are overwhelmed with the argument presents an encrusted mindset. That we show up features that we are missing out and think about ways to improve the product is just part of the process of creating something new. Something every artist should aspire to.
    I am thoroughly confused by this post, but that is not new in this thread.

    1010 solicits improvements in the Wishlist area. New features, etc. That is EXACTLY in line with what you are stating above.
    1010 has their own product roadmap.
    1010 addresses bugs as they are discovered.

    The only argument that you seem to disagree with is that the manufacturer has chosen to keep the product closed source. Aaron and others in this thread have respectfully presented a logical reason as to why and you disagree with that. Fine. You are often expressing your opinions as if they are a universal fact. This is very black and white and things are not always like that. I think you are right that there are generational differences, but that does not mean that others are not right. So, what now?

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  • Painting Silence
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    haha cherry picks a single sentence out of a whole post of arguments to comment with "so much wrong in so few words".. youre class buddy

  • sirshannon
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    > That you guys are overwhelmed with the argument presents an encrusted mindset.

    So much wrong in so few words.

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  • Painting Silence
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    You can mostly sell software no worries just transfer the licence key. Great that I find the time to make music and argue with fanboys alike. I think this might as well be a generational argument. Nowadays we get more and more involved in the manufacturing process of gear with creators asking for our needs and preferences. Especially in music gear, for example guitar pedals, this has become quite common. It is ultimately a result of the internet and close exchange between makers and users, something I grew up with and that has led to great products. That you guys are overwhelmed with the argument presents an encrusted mindset. That we show up features that we are missing out and think about ways to improve the product is just part of the process of creating something new. Something every artist should aspire to.

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  • Georges
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    We can discuss here for hours and hours, however, in the end we could all have invested the time into music making instead. This little box is certainly very capable in this area. Plus, if you don’t find any (more) use for it, you can always sell it and move on, unlike with software. That said, for my part, I’m grateful that we are allowed to discuss its uses in this forum and every now and then an idea may slip into production.

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  • Painting Silence
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    Ambitious users of the black box expressing their love and trying to contribute to its development vs. shankiphonic being totally overwhelmed with the situation and annoyed by civil argumentation pulling out a rick & morty reference as a matter of last resort. great move buddy you showed some real stamina there

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  • shankiphonic
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    I'm done here. I'm genuinely sorry there are those of you so tortured by these issues.




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  • Sequential Circuits
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    Originally posted by shankiphonic View Post
    The blackbox, with its touchscreen, can capably sequence multiple instruments simultaneously and play itself polyphonically on multiple channels.
    An iPhone is the closest thing I can think of to match a blackbox, and an iPhone costs over $1k, and you'd still need to buy software and adapters to get it on par with the blackbox.
    A 5-inch square, all-in-one instrument & music studio isn't a thing.
    What else is there at this size, and this price-point that can do what the blackbox does?
    Off the top of my head, Akai MPC One. Granted it takes up about twice the real estate and was a hundred bucks more before COVID (it now seems to have gone up for the time being another 100 at least in my region), but overall the One does a heck of a lot more and is much easier to use for sequencing. It could be argued that the BB takes up more room if you're including 16 pads to run with those multiple channels and cost around the same. Though with some additions and tweaks, the BB could give the competition a real run for their money when it comes to streamlined workflow.
    Last edited by Sequential Circuits; 08-05-2021, 10:13 PM.
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