Looping missing features

[rv01234]

definitely +1

[Garnoth]

+1 from me as well.

[focal sounds]

+ 10 from me.

[-thus-]

These are three independent feature requests. The best way to get one or more of these implemented is to search the Wish List section for each feature you want and vote for it by adding a “+1” comment. In very rare cases, if your feature request doesn’t already exist, make a new thread representing the feature and describing it. If other people are clamoring for it, they can add their vote too!

[Kebap Benzin]

Fix Clips and midi recording PLZ

-- 1 --
Instead of only allowing you to trigger direct cell recording with an external MIDI device, set up the recording in such a way that you can just trigger the midi recording by pressing the cell on the screen. This would make these powerful features available immediately "out of the box".
I am talking about looping -CLIPS- (the kind you don't need to use the sequencer at all)
-- 2 --
On that note... WHY not allow "rec to play" on "custom" lengths... ? Like what is the reason? Why allow it on all lengths except custom? Despite 1010 forums saying it's a feature, not a bug, I don't believe that. I can find no proper reason for it to be designed that way.
If this was fixed, it would open up the whole machine as a very capable live looper (a huge market BTW).
-- 3 --
What is the reason for having to delete a cell before being able to record into it? If the idea is that you might accidentally hit the -record- button, then it's just as likely that you will hit the -delete- cell button accidentally.
This is not super annoying, I just don't understand the purpose of having to record into a new cell using 2 steps rather than one.
(actually currently, to record a custom length loop you have to use 3 steps instead of 1 step.
1. Delete cell
2. Record cell
3. Play the cell (very hard to do seamlessly after recording)
Why not just record without deleting first and then autoplay as soon as you stop?)

Who else here is using the midi triggered recording?

[valeriodaniele]

Yes, I'm very sad too, about the direction taken by the team.
I've never used song mode and it's certainly the part of the blackbox that interests me least.
But I fully understand that many many users have different interests from mine and therefore I understand the team's decision to accommodate those requests.
I'll wait... I trust that our requests are equally important for the development of a device like the BB, so I have good hopes that we will be listened to!

[davidjames]

1010, I promise I’m not spamming your forum but since this is relevant, I’m pasting what I wrote in another thread:

I’ve move on and sold my Blackbox. For me, the development plan is clearly not intended for my use case. This is further confirmed with the announcement of 3.0 firmware which focuses on song mode and sequencing, which are functions I have never and will never use on a device like this. You know what they say about a jack of all trades?

1010, if you’re reading this, I would buy another BB or a new device altogether that solely focuses on live improv, looping, clip recording and sample mangling, with proper support for external control devices to alleviate the need to use the touch screen when on stage. Redirect all that sequencing and midi and song mode energy to making the most badass looper/clip rec/sample mangler device out there. You can do it, I know you can. Until then, I’m out.

[Garnoth]

+10000 This machine is inspiring but I really only need both these features to unlock live looping in a big way. I just want to have preset with empty pads where anything I sample in slot 1 will be a looping clip, slot 2 will always yield a granular pad etc. And to remeber these settings after clearing a pad. And not being forced into quantization to have a sample loop immediately after having been recorded.

[valeriodaniele]

Thank you for supporting Ademali!
I really hope that 1010 Team is listening... these two features would be a giant step for us working live on loops!

[Ademali]

+1 from me too. I've already asked for this a year or two ago in fact and I'm still waiting. It's the most important missing feature for a guy like me and so easy to implement. Please 1010! Plleeeaaaasssseeeee

[Georges]

Two-handed performance = two hands on keys or whatever other instrument = no free hand to push the record button to stop recording. Threshold is useful for audio recording of externally sequenced performances.

[Affectionate-Bee]

Georges I'm not sure I understand what you mean about the two-handed performance. If you are using 'custom' record length, then you will have to stop the recording manually somehow. Using 128 bar length allows you to stop it manually and then enter clip mode as opposed to sample mode. But yes, I am all for more control over looping/sampling!

And interesting about threshold mode, I've never used it and can't imagine a use case in my setup for it.

rev-eng it quantizes it, I believe at whatever resolution 'rec quant' is set to.

valeriodaniele absolutely! I prefer the other modes over clips too. This is the only way I've found to get live looping out of a custom-length sample without having to go in and change the settings right after recording.
Super +1 to the ability to pre-define PAD settings before recording (like a baby version of Octatrack's flex machines). Using the new MIDI rec messages feature and multiple PADS, you could go sooo many places with this

[Georges]

That’s a great workaround for one-handed performances or pre-sequenced ones, though when live recording a two-handed performance it ain’t practical. Another use case where it remains impractical is when threshold’s on, for that deactivates quantized deactivation of recording.

[valeriodaniele]

+1

My workaround for the custom bar length is to just set the rec length to 128 bars (which I often don't hit). You can still stop the recording at a custom length either by MIDI message or by hitting REC on the Blackbox. But yes to more fluid live looping

Yes, I also tried this but using any bar length yields CLIP mode necessarily... and this mode is not very tweakable as Granular or Slice!

My wish is that we would be able to record any loop lenght and to play them instantaneously in Gran or Slice modes, with pre-setted Granular/LFO/Reverse parameters!

[rev-eng]

+1

My workaround for the custom bar length is to just set the rec length to 128 bars (which I often don't hit). You can still stop the recording at a custom length either by MIDI message or by hitting REC on the Blackbox. But yes to more fluid live looping

Clever workaround! Can the stopping be quantized or do you have to be accurate with the rec button?