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  • Default Grid Size

    I would love the ability to set the default grid size in the sequence view. The first thing I always have to do when I open an empty sequence is to zoom way in to start programming notes.
    Thanks!

  • #2
    I like this idea.
    I also had the thought of customizing the pad screen.
    I use velocity sensitive pads to trigger my samples, so I have no need for the velocity slider taking up real estate on the screen.
    The option to remove the on screen velocity control in favor of a bigger pad grid layout would be nice.
    Definitely not a huge priority but a nice quality of life feature IMO.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by cdbarbuto View Post
      I like this idea.
      I also had the thought of customizing the pad screen.
      I use velocity sensitive pads to trigger my samples, so I have no need for the velocity slider taking up real estate on the screen.
      The option to remove the on screen velocity control in favor of a bigger pad grid layout would be nice.
      Definitely not a huge priority but a nice quality of life feature IMO.
      I would like to be able to use that real estate to assign controls for the knobs too...

      alternate pad screen view states maybe?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by oHeFFeSS View Post

        I would like to be able to use that real estate to assign controls for the knobs too...

        alternate pad screen view states maybe?
        Excellent idea!

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        • #5
          Agreed, +1

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          • #6
            We can consider customizing the default grid zoom level for a future release. We chose the current setting so you can see what's happening on all of the pads.

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            • #7
              The bird's eye view is sometimes desirable, but it can really interrupt the playflow, particularly when the grid shows more than 16 steps. Perhaps an option to remember the last grid zoom level. When I leave the grid, then come back to it like a second later, having to re-pinch zoom and scroll kills the fun. And perhaps some kind of quick buttons to change to user-specified zoom levels. Pinch-zoom scroll may be the most precise, but it adds a lot of friction to live situations.
              Last edited by blipson; 06-16-2019, 05:17 AM.

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              • #8
                If there's touch-and-hold functionality, touching and holding anywhere on the grid could zoom a standard amount centered on that point. Then, in that context, it would be nice if there were a simple un-zoom functionality

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by blipson View Post
                  If there's touch-and-hold functionality, touching and holding anywhere on the grid could zoom a standard amount centered on that point. Then, in that context, it would be nice if there were a simple un-zoom functionality
                  I continue to have trouble with the pinch and stretch gesture - I think having an option like this would be good.

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                  • #10
                    Whenever I pinch-zoom, I have to pinch-zoom two times, once for height once for width. That's inconvenient, so here's my more detailed suggestion:

                    1) a soft button that zooms instantly to an 8x8 grid. That would be for fat-finger situations.
                    2) a soft button that zooms instantly to a 16x16 grid.
                    3) soft buttons for zooming to 32x16 or 64x16 if the sequence is that long
                    4) a setting to remember last zoom level so that whenever I return to a context--no matter how much later--I'll return to the last view that I had.
                    5) touch-and-hold on the grid zooms to the 8x8 grid centered on the touched point. Maybe un-zoom in this context to return to the exact view you had before, or maybe that wont be useful if the above zoom buttons are available.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by blipson View Post
                      Whenever I pinch-zoom, I have to pinch-zoom two times, once for height once for width. That's inconvenient, so here's my more detailed suggestion:

                      1) a soft button that zooms instantly to an 8x8 grid. That would be for fat-finger situations.
                      2) a soft button that zooms instantly to a 16x16 grid.
                      3) soft buttons for zooming to 32x16 or 64x16 if the sequence is that long
                      4) a setting to remember last zoom level so that whenever I return to a context--no matter how much later--I'll return to the last view that I had.
                      5) touch-and-hold on the grid zooms to the 8x8 grid centered on the touched point. Maybe un-zoom in this context to return to the exact view you had before, or maybe that wont be useful if the above zoom buttons are available.
                      I definitely think we need some well thought out alternatives to pinch zoom or a more user friendly pinch zoom. I almost always have to pinch zoom twice just like this.

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                      • #12
                        I'm going to add some thoughts to this, but this doesn't mean we are working on it now. I'm just exploring options for the future.

                        Let's say we give you the option to set the default zoom level, and you set it to 8x8. Which 8x8 section of the grid should it zoom in on? Should it start with the earliest entered note as the left most visible note, and the lowest entered note as the note along the bottom row?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Christine View Post
                          I'm going to add some thoughts to this, but this doesn't mean we are working on it now. I'm just exploring options for the future.

                          Let's say we give you the option to set the default zoom level, and you set it to 8x8. Which 8x8 section of the grid should it zoom in on? Should it start with the earliest entered note as the left most visible note, and the lowest entered note as the note along the bottom row?
                          I imagined the 8x8 grid as a kind of "quick note entry" mode, the function of the lower resolution grid being strictly to prevent the fat-fingering I get at 16x16. An 8x8 grid sacrifices a global view for the sake of being able to quickly enter new notes in any context with 100% accurate touching. For viewing purposes, higher res is fine. In that case, it would be more practical to zoom in to 8x8 on the currently selected cell, regardless of where it may be, so that you can immediately start entering notes, and then zoom back out to where you were. Your suggestion will almost always require scrolling to get where you want to go, and scrolling while in 8x8 mode would be even more of a pain due to the extra swiping. In other words, if I'm at a location that I want to edit and going 8x8 pops me over to a different grid location, I imagine that disorientation would always feel like an error that needs to be fixed with multi-swiping.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by blipson View Post

                            I imagined the 8x8 grid as a kind of "quick note entry" mode, the function of the lower resolution grid being strictly to prevent the fat-fingering I get at 16x16. An 8x8 grid sacrifices a global view for the sake of being able to quickly enter new notes in any context with 100% accurate touching. For viewing purposes, higher res is fine. In that case, it would be more practical to zoom in to 8x8 on the currently selected cell, regardless of where it may be, so that you can immediately start entering notes, and then zoom back out to where you were. Your suggestion will almost always require scrolling to get where you want to go, and scrolling while in 8x8 mode would be even more of a pain due to the extra swiping. In other words, if I'm at a location that I want to edit and going 8x8 pops me over to a different grid location, I imagine that disorientation would always feel like an error that needs to be fixed with multi-swiping.
                            What I think you are saying is that if I'm already in the piano roll and there is a note selected, and I change the zoom to 8x8, it should zoom with the selected note centered. Is that right?

                            Now, what about the first time you open the piano roll. There are two scenarios here: a. It's a blank Seq cell. b. Notes or gates were added to the seq cell via another means (e.g. pads screen). Now where do you zoom in?

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                            • #15
                              Yes, zoom in with the selected note centered.

                              I'm thinking that the 8x8 mode, since it's special, should only be entered once you're in the piano roll and a cell is already selected. In all other situations, including your two scenarios, Blackbox continues to behave as with the current firmware. So that means you always get switched to the entire 16 or 32 width grid, and it's only from that global view that you can touch a cell to zoom in on, and then zoom in. If you mis-touch by a cell or two in this context, it's not a problem because zooming in will only one or two cells off-center. Additionally, if you enter a piano roll, do stuff (or not), leave, and then come back, it would be nice if Blackbox remembered your last position and grid zoom level.
                              Last edited by blipson; 06-25-2019, 08:37 PM. Reason: clarity

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